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Thursday Throwback: The OTHER Kind of Hargainer

For this week's "Thursday Throwback," I have selected an article that I wrote ten years ago, when I was just about to turn 40.  In the ten years since I wrote this one, more and more lifters and bodybuilders, thankfully, use high-frequency training, which is really the gist of what this article is about.

If you have tried both "conventional" bodybuilding training (fairly high volume, split workouts, going for the "pump") and "hardgainer" training (low volume, all-out "intensity", a couple days a week of training, full-body workouts), but haven't gotten good results from either kind of training, well, you might just be... 


The Other Kind of Hardgainer[1]
C.S. about ten years ago, when this article was originally written.

I think the majority of lifters—even ones who have been training a long time and should know better—mistakenly believe that there are essentially two kinds of training, and two kinds of lifters: the "easy gainer" and the "hard gainer."  First off (or so the thought goes), you have lifters that respond well to a high-volume of work, and these lifters are often thought to be "easy gainers."  The majority of lifters, or so the line of reasoning continues, would do well with more infrequent training, but an infrequent training that is combined with minimalist training performed all-out!  In the bodybuilding world, the second line of thought was most espoused by Mike Mentzer and the rest of his ill-begotten ilk.[2]  For instance, when I first got into training in my teenage years, this brief-but-intense theory of hardgainer training was preached over and over in the pages of Iron Man magazine by such writers as Mentzer, Steve Holman, and Stuart McRobert.  And, since I was very skinny at the time (I weighed about 135 pounds when I graduated high school), it made sense that this kind of training would be more appropriate for me—after all, many of the writers I enjoyed reading at the time, ensured me that this was the case.  

(As an interesting side note, let me add this: When I started training almost 25 years ago, it wasn’t just the pages of Iron Man that told me I was a hardgainer, but it was other people that I trained with or people that I met in the gym.  I was, after all, not blessed with “good genetics” since I was just so damn skinny.  Fast forward to today.  I will be 40 in a couple of months, and currently weigh about 210—though my weight fluctuates between 195 and 215 on average, depending on the kind of diet I’m following—and when I tell people that they should train frequently with quite a bit of sets and fairly heavy weight, I sometimes get accused of being an “easy gainer”.  It is assumed that, because I am muscular and fairly strong at almost 40, a lot of my gains must be a product of “good genetics”.  To other people, I just “look” as if I’m a product of these so-called “good genetics”—what a load of crap!  I went from “bad” to “good” genetics with years and years of heavy power training—combined with quite a few months of bodyweight-only training utilized here and there; but that’s for another article—performed frequently.)

If Mike Mentzer, and Arthur Jones before him, were responsible for the “high intensity” attitude among bodybuilders, then I suppose you could blame the same hardgainer mentality-for-lifters on Brooks Kubrik and Ken Leistner before him.  (Let me add right now that I have the utmost respect for both of these guys, but I think some of their material needs to be looked at with a discerning eye.)  Kubrik’s “Dinosaur Training” book was a huge influence on me around 1996 or 1997—I can’t really remember the exact year—but mainly for its emphasis on heavy singles training, multiple sets of low reps workouts, and odd lifts.  I got the best results from this kind of training, however, when I got away from the 2-days-per-week training and the high-rep “death sets” (both of which Kubrik recommended), and instead started lifting 4 and 5 days per week using many of the same principles but not “all-out”.

Which finally brings us around to the subject of this article: training for the “other kind of hardgainer”.  I propose that there is a 3rd way of training that should be more commonly discussed when debating how the “average lifter” should train.  (And if you’ve read a smattering of my articles, I have a feeling that you know where I’m going with this…)

I’ve been pushing HFT (high-frequency training) for several years now, and it’s become rather popular among a lot of lifters and trainers—at least the ones that are “in the know”; it’s still not very well-known or used by the average gym rat.  But this kind of training is nothing new.  Part of what made Kubrik’s “Dinosaur Training” so fascinating was his interest in and discussion of the “old-time” lifters—men such as John Grimek, Arthur Saxon, and Herman Goerner (he of the famous 727 lb one-arm deadlift), to name a few.  But the more you read about the training of the old-timers, the more you realize that they were emphatically not followers of H.I.T. principles.  They trained very frequently, as in every day, only taking a day off when they felt as if they really needed it.  Their training, if anything, would be more “grease-the-groove” than H.I.T.

If you are going to train frequently, then it’s best to not train to failure—or even close—the majority of your workouts.  Goerner once said that it’s best to be progressive in adding weight to your sets, but to “never, ever” train to your absolute limit.  And Grimek said that he never strained himself while training, even though he could still squat over 600 lbs in his 70s, and had 19-inch arms in his prime!

As for what this kind of training actually looks like when it’s put into practice, I don’t think you can go wrong with my “30 Rep Program.” It’s at least a good place to start until you can be more “instinctive” in your training.

[1] Let me say right off the bat that, first, I don’t believe in “hargainers”.  I think it’s a load of crap (for the most part), and, second, the title of this article is an homage to Bill Starr, who wrote an article by the same name many years ago in Iron Man magazine.
[2] In case you haven’t noticed—not just in this post, but in many others—I have little regard for Mike Mentzer.  His early training was actually pretty good, and nothing like the foolish crap he started recommending in the late ‘90s and early ‘00s.  But my disdain for him has much more to do with his indoctrination of “objectivism”—and his subsequent “pushing” of this philosophy that he espoused in his articles.  Objectivism is the philosophy of the god-awful “philosopher” Ayn Rand.  Unfortunately, this “philosophy” has enjoyed something of a comeback in recent years, mainly due to the love Rand gets from the Tea Party, and other such neo-libertarians.  If you are a follower of any philosophy that espouses such beliefs as love, compassion for your fellow man, humility, and kindness, then you should stay the hell away from Ayn Rand at all costs.

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  1. Mentzer's fascination with Ayn Rand really turned me off.I was a philosophy student in the early 1990s and felt almost embarrassed that this nonsense was seen by his contemporaries as a sign of his high intelligence. Yet I still have respect for Mentzer's training views, and those of McRobert. I probably discovered people like Brooks Kubik around the same time as you did (id 1990s) and made some of my best early gains from their advice. I don't think high frequency training suits everyone an that it is 'recovery capacity' which differs most between people. Every time I've gone above 3-days a week training I crash, And every time I've done 4-5 days a week, but with an RIR or 'not straining' approach, nothing happens.

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  2. Yeah, the one thing that turned me off about Mentzer was simply his assertion that "there can be only one" correct way to train. I think, generally, that lifters fall into one of three camps (and this might be a bit of over-generalization on my part, but I still think it's pretty much true): they are either frequency lifters, intensity lifters, or volume lifters. And I just think that a lot of guys think they're "hardgainers" because they tried volume lifting or HIT-style lifting, and then they wonder what in the heck is wrong with their training when neither of those approaches work for them. I've also trained quite a few lifters who are similar to you in that they respond best to a fairly low amount of work for only two or three days-per-week. But I also believe everyone should occasionally venture into forms of training outside of their wheelhouse, so to speak. I'm definitely a "frequency" lifter (the more days of training, all the better for me), but I also spend a few weeks on occasion doing low-frequency, high-intensity workouts, and a few weeks training with high-volume, low-frequency workouts. Also, since you and I are probably from the same generation (I will refrain from calling us old), we need a little more rest and recovery than younger lifters. I must say that I'm glad to have lifters interested in philosophy that read my site. I really wish more people would understand Mentzer's philosophical stance. They would then be able to understand some of the issues with his later work, because I think his training from the '70s (when he was actually competing, and before he spent time in a mental health facility, where he apparently started reading Raynd) is actually pretty damn good. In fact, I think if people would read more Leistner, and less Mentzer, the "High Intensity Training World" would be a much better place.

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    1. Absolutely. I wouldn't argue with any of that, in fact I agree wholeheartedly. The three basic types you outline seems to me entirely true, with bits of overlap and indeed venturing into more or less volume from time-to-time in different training approaches. Nothing worse than a training rut, especially if it based upon a pig-headed ideology of 'only one correct way'.
      I actually laughed when you mentioned that it was in a mental health facility where Mentzer started reading Rand. I can't decide whether it's the most awful attempt at a cure ever, or exactly the place where one would encounter Rand's gibberish.

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